Do those who want to follow Christ to be Jews

In these times when there are so many arguing about religion and about what faith would be the right faith or what would be the right way to worship God it is not bad to consider what the people at the time of the Jewish master teacher, Jeshua, thought.

Most of the time those seeing and hearing rebbe Jeshua belonged to the Jewish faith like the master himself. Though few belonged to Jeshua’s religious group because some considered the Essenes as a sect and several also came to see Jeshua his followers also as a sect. Being a child of Joseph and Miriam (Mary/Maria) from the tribe of David, Jeshua and his siblings where brought up in the very religious traditions of the Essenes, to which Miriam belonged. As such Jeshua received a strict thorough education in Torah knowledge and was very well aware what was written in all the different scrolls.

An other person very well educated in Jewish theology was Saul. As a devout worshipper of the God of Israel and connected to the synagogue and the priests in Jerusalem, he was convinced those teachings of that man where blasphemous and had to be stopped. He as a big fighter for Jehovah God went against those followers, until the day he was struck by lightening, feeling Jesus close to him and being blinded by the Power of God because he had become a satan or adversary of God, more than Peter who Jesus also had called a satan.

At first the majority of followers of Jeshua where Jews, but having many Romans around and travellers of other religions or not at all believing in a god or in God, some of them became attracted by the words of the rebbe and his talmidim. Several got in the ban of the doctrines of that man his group and wondered if they could join them. But having come at a certain age they did not like so much to undergo a circumcision. At the other hand lots of the Jews in the group where very concerned about the goyim entering their group and having them to allow in their synagogues. We can image the many discussions going on about the Jewish rules either to be followed by those who came into the group or having them to be free of those mitzvot. Doctor Luke tells about all the internal discussions and arguments in his book the Acts of the apostles.

In 330 CE “church father” Epiphanius of Salamis provided a detailed description of the new faith in Jeshua which started to spread over many regions, by the Netzerim in Panarion 29:

“We shall especially consider the heretics who call themselves Nazarenes; however they are simply complete Jews.
They use not only the New Testament but the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do…
They have no different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion – except for their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they acknowledge both the resurrection of the dead and the divine creation of all things, and declare that God is one, and that his son is Yeshua the Messiah.

They are trained to a nicety in Hebrew; for they, like the Jews, read the whole law-Torah , then the Prophets. They differ from the Jews because they believe in Meshiach and from the Christians in that they are to this day bound to the Jews rites, such as circumcision, the Shabbat, and other ceremonies . Otherwise, this sect of the Nazarenes thrives most vigorously in the state of Berea, Coele-Syria, in Decapolis, around Pella, and in Bashan. After they departed from Jerusalem, they made their start from here, as all the disciples dwelt in Pella, having been warned by Meshiach to depart Yerushalayim and emigrate because of imminent danger”

Up to today the matter still bothers many, first of all because several are seriously concerned now about those who call themselves Christian but do not adhere to Jeshua his writings and even worship an other god than Jeshua, namely Jesus and his co-gods (god the father and god the holy spirit). For Jews wanting to accept Jeshua or Jesus as the Messiah this is a serious problem, because they would never want to be confused with polytheist Christians. Most of the Jews, even today, do not want to give up their Jewishness, certainly because they consider themsleves still to be part of the Chosen People of God, Israel Gods People. Thàt they do not want to give up. It would be stupid to give that up or to loose our identity with Gods People.

When we look at the history of Christianity we can see that, before the time it was transposed to Christendom and the dogmatic teachings of the trinity, already soon there came a major controversy in early Christianity concerning the role of Jewish law and traditions. As most of the first converts were Jews, some felt that the Mosaic Law and covenantal signs, such as circumcision, were still important. While others where convinced that their rebbe brought the message of God that from now on their religion had to be open to both Jews and Gentiles. Some contended that converts first had to become Jews in order to become Christians. Others considered the outward signs of Judaism to be unnecessary for Christian life.

It is known that at the beginning most of them, like Saul or Paul, how he further became known, that “Much in every way“ was the advantage of the Jew and the value of circumcision. (Romans 3:1). Several thought by allowing goyim to enter their community and not having them to subject to the same rules they where overthrowing the Law by that notion of faith? But for Paul that was by no means so. On the contrary, he felt that they upheld the Law” (Romans 3:31).

Everybody had to know that all those who just relied on works of the law were under a curse (Galatians 3:10), because we all should know that no one is justified before God by the law (Galatians 3:11).

The convert Paul went even so far to say that circumcision even did not count for anything, but that Jeshua had taken care of a new path and had opened the gates of a new creation which is everything. (Galatians 6:15). For him it had become clear that no human being will be justified in God’s sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20). But that does not mean that the Law would be sin. By no means (Romans 7:7).

All that want to become a follower of Jeshua, Paul argumented had to recognise that the Law is and shall stay holy, and that the mitzvah or commandment is holy and just and good for all of us (Romans 7:12). Though he also said that to the Israelites belongs the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh (Romans 9:4). Jewishness can not be taken away by man, because it is entitled by God, engraved in the hearts of those who descent from the tribes chosen by God and protected by God.

Today there are lots of people who think that God has rejected His own people but Paul already warned for such false thinking and said that the Elohim has not rejected His people (Romans 11:1) and told even that

“All Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26).

As such Jews still can bear that precious hope. When they accept Jeshua as the Messiah they do not have to give up their Jewishness, but they also shall have to accept that the goyim or those who where at first atheist, heathen or people from an other faith, that they now too can come to God by the way of Jeshua, and can call the Elohim Hashem Jehovah also their Father or Abba.

Those Jews at the time of the first followers of Jeshua came to accept the non-Jews and did not impose their laws unto them – which was not always an easy thing to do for them. In our time, we too have to be open for the non-Jews who come to accept the Nazarene rebbe Jeshua as their Saviour. But we too have to accept that those goyim become part of the Body of Christ without having to undergo all the obligations a Jew has to undergo.

Nobody may come to think the Law would have become opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not! (Galatians 3:21).

Although Paul preached justification on the basis of faith in Christ, he was himself a Pharisee and addressed the role of Jewish traditions and the status of Israel in the new covenant.

In “Paul’s Contradictions: Can They Be Resolved?” Princeton Professor John Gager looks at how Paul seems to be at war with himself on the subject of Israel. Is there a way out of his contradictions?
Yes, the author argues, but only if we first get past misconceptions about Paul that date to the earliest stages of Christianity — even to Paul’s own times.

Though when reading the book by John Gager, one must know that Paul is not the father of Christian anti-Judaism, like the great German historian Adolf Harnack wants Christians to believe. He writes:

“It was Paul who delivered the Christian religion from Judaism … It was he who confidently regarded the Gospel as a new force abolishing the religion of the law.”

Since the time of the early church fathers until recent decades, all interpreters of Paul have read him from the perspective of the triumph of Christianity, after the decisive break between Christianity and Judaism. The reigning Christian view of Judaism during this entire period has been that the Jews have been superseded as the chosen people of God by the Christians (or Christianity), that the Jews are no longer the bearers of God’s promise of salvation and that their only hope for salvation lies in becoming Christian. In this hermeneutic, it follows that Paul, too, with his canonical status, must have held to this dominant Christian view of Judaism. And this is exactly how Paul has been read throughout Christian history. Not just 80 or 90 or even 99 percent of the time, but 100 percent of the time, without exception — that is, until recently, when a few maverick scholars began not only to question that image but to reject it altogether. {Paul: Jewish Law and Early Christianity}

Biblical scholar Ben Witherington III counters the contradiction in “Laying Down the Law: A response to John Gager.” He questions Gager’s idea that Paul preached the gospel of Jesus Christ for Christians alone by asking whether his message was intended for both Jews and Christians.

Today we can see that there is a growing amount of Jews who are proud to be Jew but also want to be proud to be a follower of the Jew Jeshua, whom they often consider to be one of their own, a child of Israel. In Christendom we find that the majority are trinitarians, but may not forget that there are loads of non-trintiarian denominations as well. There are certain groups which have a similar name but differ from their belief in the trinity or in One True God. As such we can find the Nazarenes, of which some are tinritarians and others still believe the same doctrines as their first counterparts. The Nazarene Friends up to a few years ago where very active non-trinitarian Christians, but by becoming older and dying lots of ecclesiae saw their numbers reduce.

The most well known non-trinitarian groups may be the Bible Students and Jehovah’s Wtinesses, with all their teardowns or torn groups. Lots of those groups not so much respecting by God given days to celebrate or to remember certain events. Though it must be said several bible student groups and Jehovah’s Witness knowing very well that according to Jeshua and his heavenly Father, according to the Scriptures all people of God shall have to remember 14-15 Nisan or Passover (Pesach).

Some Christians also have come to the conclusion that perhaps not so many laws are abandoned as so many Christians do believe. They came to understand that Jeshua was a Jew and held to the Jewish traditions. Certain Jewish elements they now also want to see incorporated in their way of life, as a sign of being under that Jewish master teacher.
Christians who do not want to be looked at, as the same lot of trinitarian Christians, or who want to feel and show more a Jewish connection can as Messianic Christians show their love for Jeshua and his teachings by calling themselves also a Jeshuaist.

Jeshuaist do not expect converts to the faith in Jeshua to be or to become a Jew or to follow all the Jewish laws, though they want them to recognise the Jewish position of Jeshua and the Judaic followers of Jeshua, which means that certain ways of worship, songs and prayers and making church or having meetings shall be as in the first century or in the tradition of the early Christians, forming a brotherhood with acceptance of differences, but considering all as one part united under Christ and not a human organisation which would control and regulate everything.

For Jews who accept Jeshua as their Messiah and for those who prefer to see a Messianic Judaism the Jeshuaists offer a solution. With the title or name Jeshua-ist one can give honour to Jeshua and show the connection with the Jewish rebbe as well can one avoid the confusion with trinitarian Messianics or trinitarian Christians, making it clear to be a Messianic non-trinitarian Jew.

 

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7 responses to “Do those who want to follow Christ to be Jews

  1. Hi, this is Jonathan from Brit in Jerusalem, you linked to my blog today.

    I can see you have found the extreme Hebrew Roots movement and Christians who want to be Jewish, who are thinking Judaism + Jesus = authentic Christianity right? There are no shortage of weirdos on the internet that think like this.

    I am a gentile Christian who spent 4 years living in Israel, and found the local Israeli Messianic congregations are not like that at all, I’ve visited about 6 different ones across Israel, which are small (less than 0.5% of Israel are believers) but are community based and do Jewish holidays and practices but are not legalistic, but do differ from each other slightly in teaching style just like churches will differ in UK and US and other places. Like yourself I believe in the Trinity and so do my Messianic Israeli friends.

    I’d be happy to show you what i have seen, and yes, I’ve seen the unpleasant side of extreme Hebrew Roots teaching as well. I’m more than pleased to answer any questions.

    blessings to you – Jonathan

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    • Dear Sir, we do not believe in the human doctrine of Trinity, but worship only One True God, the God of Israel. The Jeshuaists are just a movement offering such a name in honour of the Nazarene because they noticed too many Messianic movements which adhere the Trinity, whilst any respectable Jew only worships the Only One True God of Israel, Who is an eternal Spiritual Being and not a threeheaded god. There are several Messianics who do not like to be thought of as being trinitarian, but seeing that in the Messianic movement too many trinitarian groups are coming into the public.

      You having been to a couple of places where there are congregations of Messianic Jews worshiping together who had some books on the testimonies and ministry work that brought Israeli Jewish people (and also Arab people and other groups) to Jesus, makes it very interesting to know more about your impression. And if you would like about those views you got we are very interested in giving you a place to talk about your experiences.

      When you talk about it and you having two books from these places which have some of the most heart warming stories of Israeli finding their Messiah, it probably concerns for you the pleasure in finding a trinitarian group instead of worshippers of the real One God. though even that might still very interesting to hear by our readers.

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    • Shaloom Jonathan,

      We sincerely do hope our text was not so confusing that we gave the readers the impression to be trinitarians. The reasons of our writing the above article is just because many Jews who are interested in Jesus (Jeshua) are confronted with Messianic movements of which a lot seems to be trinitarian, the same as with the majority of Christian groups.

      We are aware that in Christianity are several real Christians who follow the Jewish master in all ways, following his teachings and worshipping the same God as him and taking up the tasks Jesus has given his followers. For the Jews who came to believe that Jesus is the way to God and that he is the long awaited Messiah those unitarian Christian groups like several Bible Students (The International Bible Students, the Bereans, Christadelphian Bible students, a.o.), the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Nazarene Friends, the (non trinitarian) Church of God, the Restoration Church and many other non-trinitarian Christians could be interesting for some Jews, even when only the Church of God keeps to all the Jewish traditional commandments.

      Those Jews who are afraid concerning their Jewish connection and role of chosen People as well as their duty to keep to the mitzvot, are looking for a satisfying solution which could be found in some non-trinitarian groups who are not so bounded to a restricting dictatorial organisation like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. As such the Brothers in Christ or Christadelphians and some Bible Student groups, like the Christadelphian Biblestudents, may offer an opening of brotherhood to Jews by allowing them to keep to certain Mosaic Laws which their non-Jewish members do not have to keep.

      The association of Jeshuaists wants to bring together all those who follow the Nazarene Jew Jeshua, as their Messiah, and do prefer not to be associated with or to be mistaken as trinitarians, and to offer them a name by which they also can make themselves know, clarifying they are not part of the Jehovah’s Witnesses (most people confuse other non-trinitarians with) but still witnesses for Jehovah and for His only begotten beloved son Christ Jesus.

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    • Dr. Jonathan, thank you very much for your reply.

      Interesting to see that you have been a volunteer for Bridges for Peace in Jerusalem, Israel, between 2009 and 2013. Also as Bloggers for Peace, interesting for us is to hear that you like to present yourself as an advocacy for peace and accurate reporting for the middle east, connected with various people from various Israel and Jewish related ministries, you having been blessed to meet up with many people .

      In case you would not mind sharing your views or opinions about several people you met and about political situations in the Holy Land we would appreciate it very much to have you as a co-author on this blog.
      We noticed you are a trinitarian, and hopefully you by know also came to understand we are not. But normally that should not have to be a problem, is it?

      This Platform wants to give our readers an idea of what is going on in the world and how we can have different opinions, lifestyles and traditions which should not put up borders but can be an enrichment to all. Sharing different thoughts can bring better understanding and offer more peace between the different cultures.

      As you yourself wrote “Knowledge is a wonderful thing, we have libraries and encyclopedias, and these days we have the internet. Its easy to look up something in an instant.” but people have to be able to find it and to filter it.
      Here at this site we also like to offer our readers a selection of interesting reading material and therefore quote, reblog and link to various articles, sometimes even of very different or even opposite views. But we believe in the wisdom and own analysation of the reader to use his own freedom of choice correctly and to form his own opinion.

      In case you would be interested to give us more insight in the different Messianic groups and other religious groups in the Holy Land as well could bring us a regular review or some update of what goes on in Israel we would appreciate that very much and would welcome you as a co-author.

      Please let us know when interested.

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      • I’d be pleased to share anything. I think I’ve written 500+ items on my blog, I’m always pleased to hear any questions or ideas. I have a lot of half finished things I need to post.
        Blessings, Jonathan

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